Daily Driving a Viper is Kinda Boring.

"TractorPillow" (tractorpillow)
07/07/2016 at 11:47 • Filed to: Viper, boring, GTS, Dodge, dreamcar

How could it possibly be boring when almost every comment on an article about the Viper is filled with “10/10 would DD but it would kill me!” For several years I read those comments and saw it as a challenge. Supposedly unlivable DD’s are basically my shopping criteria when it comes to a car.

After spending a year with a 2002 Viper GTS and clocking over 10,000 miles, I walked away unscathed and a bit unimpressed. Now, don’t get me wrong, the performance was without a doubt impressive. The Viper was as fast as I would ever want or need, the handling was superb, and it fulfilled my childhood dream. It is also one of the most beautiful cars ever made, in my opinion.

I was unimpressed because living with one as a daily driver was almost effortless. Most of the articles or comments about how incredibly ridiculous and life-threatening scary the Viper is are internet fueled, overblown exaggerations. I’m sorry to burst the balloons of people that were once like me and dreamed of owning this “vile beast.” It’s not out to destroy you, being “snakebitten” is hyperbole, and most of the people that talk about how scary it is have never sat in a Viper, much less driven one.

Yes, if you are a complete idiot with a car that has tons of power to the rear wheels then you are going to have a bad time. I’m not the smartest of guys, but I do try to know my own limits with a car. The Viper is fast, but balanced and controllable. I never felt unsafe, even pushing the car harder and harder through the mountains of Georgia and Tennessee.

My wife has never been on a car site in her life so I like to think she is an impartial judge. She said it was the easiest manual transmission car she’s driven and often used it to run quick errands (and yes, she’s driven more than 10 manual cars and is the current driver of a Cayman S). She was scared of the Mazdaspeed3 I used to have, but the Viper was never intimidating to her.

That being said, I did have some “scary” times in the Viper…

The Scariest Moments in the Viper:

-The first time I drove the car was 700 miles home from Houston to Georgia. The only scary part was how incredibly terrible the AC was when I was sitting in traffic; when coasting on the highway, the 14 year old air conditioning actually worked sufficiently.

-The first time I took my friend on some back roads I was going a wee bit too fast and saw the blue lights of a police car behind me. This was scary, but the friendly Alabama police officer only wanted to ask me if he could see the engine bay.

-I drove the car in pouring rain where I could hardly see the car in front of me. The only scary part was somehow water dripped from under the dash onto my leg after going through a big puddle. It was startling, but I chalked that one up to Dodge build quality. I never once hydroplaned in the dozens of times I drove in the rain.

-Being at stoplights with Mustangs who, of course, wanted to race. I was scared for everybody on the road when this happened.

-When I moved from Georgia to El Paso, I decided that my best friend (my border collie) and I would drive the Viper 1,200 miles as a last hurrah. There were two scary parts this time. The first was when I ran over a huge bolt and popped a tire in San Antonio. The scary part was not the actual flat, but the bill to replace two rear tires and have them overnighted to San Antonio, because of course nobody in Texas has Viper tires in stock. The other scary part was when Bubba the Sheriff caught me going way too fast, but I was scared about how this would look on my driving record, not being killed by the “raw” and “violent” Viper.

-The amount I spent on premium gas every month. Enough said.

Why the Viper was an easy daily driver:

-You can fit a ton of stuff in the trunk! It is way bigger than most think. As a grocery getter, I was never disappointed.

-The seats were some of the most comfortable seats I have ever sat in. Mine had the cognac Connolly leather package, which offers a unique look that eventually grows on you. The leather was incredible and I never got a stiff back driving on long trips (the reason I got rid of my Elise).

-Passing cars on the highway doesn’t require downshifting in order to quickly overtake. The teeniest bit of throttle and you win!

-The ride is way smoother than you’d think. For being so low, the ride is not really that rough. It also is not that loud inside the cabin.

-The tires can be turned into great furniture or dog beds (okay, this is just an excuse to show off my pups):

-And the most important: the Viper got me from point A to point B reliably, every time. For a 14 year old Dodge, that’s not too shabby!

So now that I’ve been a Debbie-downer, should you get one?

For around $35,000 you can’t find a much cooler car. I literally cross shopped this with a Mercedes-Benz GLA250 and a Subaru Crosstrek (I had this weird idea that maybe a more adult, practical car would be a good idea, thank God my wife intervened). I don’t regret the decision one bit, especially because they are at the bottom of their depreciation curve and you can basically sell them for what you paid, although have fun dealing with twenty-somethings that think a good trade is their base Charger, the rest of their X-Box live gold subscription, and $537 cash on top.

As much as I enjoyed my time with the Viper, I was more than ready to move on to something else (suggestions under $40k welcomed!!). It was not the daily thrill I thought it would be. It never really scared me, never sent me into a ditch, and never tried to kill me. I quickly learned that most internet comments just build upon the exaggeration of the Viper until somehow it all becomes fact.

Whether you agree or disagree with me, I still recommend you find out for yourself. It’s an iconic car that will always mean a lot to me. I’m sure it will mean the same to you, but if you’ve got a good head on your shoulders, I think your relationship will be a lot less murderous than you think.

DISCUSSION (100)

AM3R shamefully returns > TractorPillow
07/07/2016 at 11:55

Good write up, nice to a see commentary from a seasoned owner. I had heard that they are rather easy to drive.

Milky > TractorPillow
07/07/2016 at 11:55

Have you seen this Craigslist ad yet?

http://oppositelock.kinja.com/most-honest-vi…

CalzoneGolem > TractorPillow
07/07/2016 at 11:55

I remember you posting the tire table.

What is the broken thing in your hand? Swaybar link?

Ross Kraz > TractorPillow
07/07/2016 at 11:56

I always envisioned the steering to be really heavy in these. Is that true? Is it hard at all to park?

Clemsie McKenzie > TractorPillow
07/07/2016 at 11:56

I want one so bad now. I’m poor. I’m in France, where these are pretty rare. Screw me, I guess.

Excellent colour combo on yours, though! I’m jealous.

TractorPillow > Milky
07/07/2016 at 11:57

Yup, you replied to my comment on it :). I thought of mentioning it as one of the most exaggerated Viper ads ever, but if it gets it sold then more power to him!

TractorPillow > Clemsie McKenzie
07/07/2016 at 11:57

I sold mine for $400 less than I paid for it, so consider it an investment!

Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap > TractorPillow
07/07/2016 at 11:57

How is mileage in the real world? Also, I’d totally love to try that.

Ross Kraz > CalzoneGolem
07/07/2016 at 11:58

Giant bolt he ran over. Reading is sometimes better than just looking at the pictures.

-this space for rent- > TractorPillow
07/07/2016 at 11:58

Didn’t the viper get its murderous rep from the original R/T10 roadsters? The GTS was a much more pleasant car if I remember correctly.

TractorPillow > Ross Kraz
07/07/2016 at 11:59

No the steering isn’t heavy at all. The car is actually a lot lighter than you’d think. For parking, they are kinda hard because of how long the front is, but no worse than a truck of similar size. I also never backed in because it made leaving the spot easier to see since there isn’t much behind you when you’re sitting.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > TractorPillow
07/07/2016 at 12:00

You can buy alot of AW11s for $40k if you want a car that will actually try to kill you.

TractorPillow > AM3R shamefully returns
07/07/2016 at 12:01

Yup, and I firmly believe the ability to accelerate quickly can make you safer in several situations you may find yourself. Thanks!

LongbowMkII > TractorPillow
07/07/2016 at 12:01

Yeah but... If you pin the throttle in the middle of the intersection you may spin out!

I think the countach would fit the bill as an awful DD but it's outside your budget.

TractorPillow > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
07/07/2016 at 12:02

hmmm...I am a mid-engined biased guy. So hard to find one in decent condition though.

CalzoneGolem > Ross Kraz
07/07/2016 at 12:02

I know he ran it over jerkface. Looks like a swaybar endlink to me.

TractorPillow > LongbowMkII
07/07/2016 at 12:02

That’s the ultimate test. Got to talk to an owner of one and he said is god-awful to drive. But, yep, way out of the budget.

Nibby > TractorPillow
07/07/2016 at 12:03

just buy 30 Ford Tempos instead

Milky > TractorPillow
07/07/2016 at 12:03

I was just joking, lol. But uh maybe an Exige next? Theres also this turbo elise for only $34k.

http://wirewheel.com/2005-Lotus-Eli…

Steve is equipped with Electronic Fool Injection > TractorPillow
07/07/2016 at 12:03

I’m a big dude. At 6'3" and ~300 lbs with a 31" inseam, would this be a “Crazy ex” car or a “don’t even try,” car?

*Crazy ex car: Fun for weekends but hell to live with every day. For reference, I fit in an NC Miata. Kind of.

Kinja'd!!!

And I fit in a Z-car convertible but not so much the coupé:

Kinja'd!!!

TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. > TractorPillow
07/07/2016 at 12:03

Wish I had the extra scratch lying around to pick one up, but alas I seriously doubt my wife would be impressed with me if I bought a two seater when we’re talking about kids... sigh.

Sam > TractorPillow
07/07/2016 at 12:03

Most of the scary parts to me would be from owning a Chrysler product of that generation, not because of the car itself.

TractorPillow > -this space for rent-
07/07/2016 at 12:04

It’s the same car but with 50 more HP and a hard top. Still no traction control or stability control. Granted, the interior is a lot nicer than on the original RT-10's, but no real difference mechanically (Truth in advertising: mine did have ABS which was only offered on 01-02 models, which definitely is nice to have)

LongbowMkII > TractorPillow
07/07/2016 at 12:04

That’s what to tell the officer at least. “I had to go 90 to avoid those idiots merging.”

Which isn't always wrong.

TractorPillow > Sam
07/07/2016 at 12:05

And if something does break, you pay what they call a “Viper” tax to fix it. There is nothing crazy complicated about the car, but they know they can charge more for similar parts as Dodge Durango.I learned this when Dodge tried to tell me I needed a whole new rack and pinion because they don’t sell just tie rods by themselves. Some internet research showed me that some aftermarket companies offer it. Saved me $900.

TractorPillow > LongbowMkII
07/07/2016 at 12:06

It was hard for me to say much of anything when I was on I-10 in the middle of nowhere. I thought my dog would get me out of the ticket since he’s so cute, but no dice.

Ross Kraz > CalzoneGolem
07/07/2016 at 12:06

Lol I didn’t mean to be a jerkface. Sorry.

Luc - The Acadian Oppo > TractorPillow
07/07/2016 at 12:06

I’ve said it before but I need a Viper at some point in my life.

http://oppositelock.kinja.com/the-original-v…

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > TractorPillow
07/07/2016 at 12:07

For for $40k it’s not! Cherry ones are starting to get stupid in price. I’ve seen them sell for as high as $15k recently, so a good one under ten shouldn’t be hard to get. You have to drive one. It’s everything the Viper isn’t. It’s small, super-lightweight, and likely to kill you for getting off the throttle than on it. Set one up well, drop a 2ZZ in, and be ready for something akin to your Elise with the added functionality of a usable frunk and decent trunk. It also has the advantage of being parts primarily from similar vintage Tercels and Corollas, so parts are cheap and available.

TractorPillow > TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts.
07/07/2016 at 12:07

We were talking about kids too! Still are, but that’s what the Camry is for that came with my wife when I married her. That thing is ole trusty and will be driven into the ground.

Aaron M - MasoFiST > TractorPillow
07/07/2016 at 12:07

Put a stiffer rear sway bar on an SW20 and you’ll get the same effect, doubly so if you put a bunch of weight in the back. Plus turbo lag, and they can be equally pants-soiling with less rust.

HammerheadFistpunch > TractorPillow
07/07/2016 at 12:08

This is good stuff. I agree with you on one of the prettiest cars ever built for sure. I think the scary comes from people expecting cars to bail them out if they run out of talent near the limit as cars today are wont to do...where the Viper is NOT a car today, not even 14 years ago today.

TractorPillow > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
07/07/2016 at 12:08

haha you’ve piqued my interest. I was leaning towards a BMW 2002, not because it seems hard to live with, but I figure it’s another car I can buy and sell for the same amount (also one I find incredibly beautiful). Do you have one?

FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem > TractorPillow
07/07/2016 at 12:09

I love the color combo on this one.

TractorPillow > HammerheadFistpunch
07/07/2016 at 12:10

very, very true. Plus the stereotypical owners of Vipers can often cause their own demise through sheer stupidity.

TractorPillow > FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem
07/07/2016 at 12:11

I really really wanted a blue with white stripes. It was the car I broke my neck to see every day when we passed the Dodge dealership, but people want way too much for them and when I saw the cognac interior I had to have it just because it was different.

SkyNet > TractorPillow
07/07/2016 at 12:12

Great article. One question: Did you feel that the Viper was sort of boring when driven at legal speeds? My last “fast” car was a 2011 Camaro SS and I kind of hated it because when I wasn’t hustling, the car was sort of like driving a small truck.

TractorPillow > Steve is equipped with Electronic Fool Injection
07/07/2016 at 12:13

haha that’s hilarious! The pedals are adjustable, but I think you’d prefer a convertible so you wouldn’t have to crouch down to see out

Steve is equipped with Electronic Fool Injection > Nibby
07/07/2016 at 12:13

For 40k he could easily get 45 or 50 Tempos.

FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem > TractorPillow
07/07/2016 at 12:13

Blue with white stripes is the best color combo on the Viper for me. I had two second gen Vipers in that color as a kid. Cognac interior ftw!

Steve is equipped with Electronic Fool Injection > Steve is equipped with Electronic Fool Injection
07/07/2016 at 12:13

Or, he could get 30 and chain them together to make an insane Tempotrain!

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > TractorPillow
07/07/2016 at 12:14

That interior is something special

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > TractorPillow
07/07/2016 at 12:14

Yep, I have an ‘89 that I love to death. I bought it running for a few hundred with the intention of making it a LeMons car, but he had a name by the first stop for gas and that was that. I’ve never named another car before or after. It’s that special. Had it about two years now and I’m never getting rid of it. When I moved to New York, there was no question about bringing that up with me instead of my BRZ.

TractorPillow > SkyNet
07/07/2016 at 12:14

Oh absolutely, that’s why I really talked about it as a daily driver. When I pushed it hard, I had a blast. That being said, it was nowhere near as fun as the Elise or the classic Mini I used to have when I was taking them to their limits.

Steve is equipped with Electronic Fool Injection > TractorPillow
07/07/2016 at 12:15

Having short legs means I can slide the seat forward and lean it back a bit, but I also like an upright driving position.

TractorPillow > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
07/07/2016 at 12:15

very nice! pics? I had a soldier with one and his was ratted out (literally think that there were rats in it) and the AC didn’t work so I had very little desire to every ride in it.

Sn210 > TractorPillow
07/07/2016 at 12:16

Kinja'd!!!

Mine is for sale! Lol

http://boston.craigslist.org/sob/cto/566791…

Awesome write up too, btw. A Viper is definitely on my bucket list

Future next gen S2000 owner > TractorPillow
07/07/2016 at 12:18

996 Turbo. Thoughts as your next car? They are hovering right at 40K depending on the mileage.

TractorPillow > Future next gen S2000 owner
07/07/2016 at 12:20

Have thought about it, but I already have a Cayman S and don’t really like porsches that much. Maybe if I got rid of the wife’s Cayman...

Thomas Donohue > TractorPillow
07/07/2016 at 12:23

re: mid-engine.....go for a Cayman S, or if you can save up a few more bucks a 2011/2012 Boxster Spyder.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > TractorPillow
07/07/2016 at 12:24

If I had “under $40k” for my car budget, I’d build something.

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > TractorPillow
07/07/2016 at 12:26

What about a BMW 850csi? I mean you’ve had a V10 only logical thing to do is get a V12.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > TractorPillow
07/07/2016 at 12:26

Mine’s totally ratted out, but it was always supposed to be racecar. It’s just that much sweeter when people laugh at it at the track only to be absolutely demolished. He’s named Charlie after Charlie Kelly from Always Sunny. Much like that Charlie, he’s loud, gets high pitched when angry, nearly unkillable, hideous, somehow still adorable, yet absolutely loveable in every way.

Kinja'd!!!

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > Aaron M - MasoFiST
07/07/2016 at 12:35

My issue with the MKIIs is all about the weight. Don’t get me wrong. I love me some SW20, but If I were in the market, I’d be thinking MR-S which is newer, a better chassis, lighter, and cheaper. Drop a 2ZZ in which is easier since the car came with a 1ZZ and you’ve got yourself a Baby Lotus.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > Sn210
07/07/2016 at 12:39

no leaks from the sunroof

You lie!

Edit: NM, was thinking T-tops which I’m pretty sure came leaking from the factory.

Sn210 > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
07/07/2016 at 12:40

I speak the truth!!

MonkeePuzzle > TractorPillow
07/07/2016 at 12:42

this on the front page yet? this feels like it will be soon. interesting read.

Aaron M - MasoFiST > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
07/07/2016 at 12:43

I’m with you on that. My issue with the ZZW30 is no trunk. Incidentally, the change in the rear end of the MR-S means that they’re much more predictable and manageable than the previous two generations...which is why I didn’t mention them in the first place.

Clemsie McKenzie > TractorPillow
07/07/2016 at 12:43

Oh yeah I’m sure these are good value right now. I just can’t afford the investment! Especially since I guess they’ll be more expensive in Europe.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > Sn210
07/07/2016 at 12:44

Does yours have the attachment points for the rear sway-bar? If so, that could be a selling point since the car’s better with a rear arb.

TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. > TractorPillow
07/07/2016 at 12:45

I have a garage full of Land Rovers, wife would get grumpy if I bought another toy.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > Aaron M - MasoFiST
07/07/2016 at 12:49

Yeah, the trunk issue’s a bit hard to ignore. People say that the space behind the seats is nice..... but it’s huge on the first two as well to accomodate T-Tops. The only MRS I drove was prepped as a track car, so I might be a bit in the dark on the intent of them from the factory since that particular one definitely still felt ready to kill me. I really want to drive a stock one now out of curiosity. Charlie made his intentions clear the first time I drove it. Not sure if a stock MRS will do the same.

JEM > TractorPillow
07/07/2016 at 12:55

“-Being at stoplights with Mustangs who, of course, wanted to race. I was scared for everybody on the road when this happened.”

AHAHA!! A+ Great article/write-up btw.

Not having to downshift to pass/disappear is a glorious thing, until you realize you are well into the triple digits when you didn’t mean to be. But then again, that’s kinda why I bought a 1250cc bike in the first place.

gawdzillla > TractorPillow
07/07/2016 at 12:55

40k i’d buy a chevy ss

Sn210 > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
07/07/2016 at 13:05

Hmm never looked...

Wrong Wheel Drive (41%) > TractorPillow
07/07/2016 at 13:07

“She was scared of the Mazdaspeed3 I used to have, but the Viper was never intimidating to her.”

Haha this is gold! Now I really want to see a direct comparison between a Viper and a MS3. Obviously nobody in their right mind would be cross shopping these two cars but this statement makes me consider that. Of course on paper, its a huge difference but I am more curious of the real world "crazy" factor.

Aaron M - MasoFiST > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
07/07/2016 at 13:10

From what I understand, the snap oversteer issue was so publicized on the earlier ones that Toyota made it a point to tune it out. That said, it’s a wheel loading thing so basically any car can be made to do it if you’re heavy handed enough. Put a 27mm rear bar on a WRX, leave the front stock, you’re there.

Under_Score > TractorPillow
07/07/2016 at 13:23

Nice writeup. Glad you liked it. A couple of questions.

1. Was the Viper ever available with an automatic?

2. Why did you leave Georgia for Texas?

functionoverfashion > TractorPillow
07/07/2016 at 13:26

Thank you for writing this. That CL ad is still funny hyperbole but its message has become reality to those of us who have never experienced a Viper, as you noted.

I’d like to write something along the lines of, “Daily Driving an Old Brown Wagon is Kinda Excruciating,” because I’ve actually done it. It was mostly awful.

Textured Soy Protein > TractorPillow
07/07/2016 at 13:27

A friend of mine had a ’96 GTS. I wasn’t scared of it but it was a bit claustrophobic inside for my taste, and at the time I drove an NB Miata.

DanZman > TractorPillow
07/07/2016 at 13:27

Great article. It’s nice to hear a different perspective.

I'm biased, but I highly recommend a C6 z06 for your next ride. It would be a great comparison to the viper.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > Aaron M - MasoFiST
07/07/2016 at 13:29

Yeah, alot of that’s just the way the suspension’s tuned. The originals had a rear sway bar, then they ganked the sway bar and put a ton of toe on the back to make it push more mid-cycle on the AW11s, but it was still possible in the rain. I don’t think there’s a way to remove it completely on an MR car, nor should you because it’s kind of what makes the front so sharp. With more weight over the back, it will have trouble keeping up when the front’s loaded. Some observations from my AW11 as I got the suspension where I wanted is that you’re better off with an earlier more progressive snap. When they changed the alignment and pulled the sway bar, it made the threshold way higher, but impossible to recover from. IMO, the softer rear made it easier to overdrive. Since the initial behavior was to push, it could get frustrating until that time you slip off the gas mid turn then find yourself backwards in a bush. With the sway bar, you can feel it coming and give it some more gas. The back slides a tiny bit rather than gripping and rolling until there’s no more room to roll. There’s nothing like feeling the car slide between front end push and snap based on where your foot is. You really have to steer with the throttle on these things.

B_dol > TractorPillow
07/07/2016 at 13:35

This might be a bit too project car for your taste, but seeing your eclectic past cars I think you’re missing an experience in the BMW marquee.

My favorite as of late (besides the one in my garage...) are the Z3 M Coupe and E36 M3. Good examples can still be had and it is a rising market.

Kinja'd!!!

TractorPillow > Under_Score
07/07/2016 at 13:55

1. no, never. And when it comes out again in 2019 it better not be

2. I’m an army officer. Lived lots of places. Currently on a stint in Jordan working at the embassy

TractorPillow > DanZman
07/07/2016 at 13:55

It would, but I'm not a dad yet so I don't think it's actually legal

TractorPillow > Textured Soy Protein
07/07/2016 at 13:56

I've actually never driven a Miata. Coming from an elise and a classic mini, I was overwhelmed with all the space haha

TractorPillow > B_dol
07/07/2016 at 13:57

I just made a friend with an e36. Will have to see if he'll let me drive it. I am missing out on BMW; half of me wants to get a 2002

TractorPillow > functionoverfashion
07/07/2016 at 13:58

Haha I'd love to read that

TractorPillow > gawdzillla
07/07/2016 at 14:01

Eh...too normal looking for my tastes. I am not ashamed to admit I like a little attention.

TractorPillow > MonkeePuzzle
07/07/2016 at 14:02

Beats me, I tend to post at bad times and get buried, but I'm here for the opponauts

TractorPillow > JEM
07/07/2016 at 14:06

Oh so true! So easy to hit 100 on accident and feel like you’re coasting at 60.

NJAnon > TractorPillow
07/07/2016 at 14:16

I am glad there was(is) slight pedestal sitting for the Viper. Because its always been pedestal holding for other cars (you know the ones) that people cannot access easily but are so willing to complain about not acquiring. But look! The Viper(s) is right there for us now and you want to go fast and have an iconic car so get it!

And yes the premium gas thing; the only drawback of cars from that time is that cylinder shut off wasn’t implemented. :P but if your oppo you never cared about that crap anyway.

TractorPillow > Thomas Donohue
07/07/2016 at 14:18

Guess you missed the part where my wife drives a Cayman S

TractorPillow > Milky
07/07/2016 at 14:23

Eh, I’ve done the Elise route and Exige is not that different. I have thought about an Evora, but still too much for me.

TractorPillow > CalzoneGolem
07/07/2016 at 14:25

I have no clue what it actually is; all I know is that it somehow put a giant hole in my tire. I kept that bastard too, cost me enough. Thank God I was a mile away from a discount tire I could limp into.

Thomas Donohue > TractorPillow
07/07/2016 at 14:26

Clearly I did, though I’m not sure how...I read the whole* article and all the comments!

TractorPillow > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles
07/07/2016 at 14:27

ooh that’s a good one and one I had thought about before the Viper, but I am so scared of the costly repairs. I usua

TractorPillow > Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap
07/07/2016 at 14:28

12-13 on average, but I had a heavy foot everywhere I went. Lowest was 7 after a long mountain drive. On road trips I could get 19-20.

TractorPillow > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
07/07/2016 at 14:28

I don’t keep cars long enough to put money into them, a little too ADD.

Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap > TractorPillow
07/07/2016 at 14:29

And it makes how much power?

TractorPillow > Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap
07/07/2016 at 14:29

450 stock

TractorPillow > Thomas Donohue
07/07/2016 at 14:30

haha, the Cayman S is an incredible car though. Never thought I’d like it as much as I do.

Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap > TractorPillow
07/07/2016 at 14:32

That’s just depressing. I barely manage 16.

TractorPillow > Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap
07/07/2016 at 14:35

truck?

Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap > TractorPillow
07/07/2016 at 14:36

Yep. And down 4 cylinders of the Viper.

CalzoneGolem > TractorPillow
07/07/2016 at 14:36

That’s the scariest part about the Viper for me. That rear tire cost.

Do you have a spare?

Opposite Locksmith > TractorPillow
07/07/2016 at 14:40

2002 with an f20c. Kits exist

TractorPillow > Opposite Locksmith
07/07/2016 at 14:45

I like where your heads at. I've thought about tricking one out, but I'm always hesitant to mod my cars cause I don't keep them very long and move so much

Mitch Moen > TractorPillow
07/07/2016 at 15:02

Great read...thanks for writing this.

TractorPillow > Mitch Moen
07/07/2016 at 15:08

my pleasure, glad you enjoyed it!